So you have made your first visit to the market to decide on your interiors, visited @Home, HomeStop, Hometown, Home Center, Nolte, Veneta Cucine, checked out the neighborhood Modular Furniture & Kitchen Wala, spoken to the carpenter who did the house of so and so.......etc. etc........Means that you are now more confused than you were when you started off, well.... welcome to home making :).
In my earlier posts I have tried to help sort this very confusion offering inputs around
1. how to create a budget,
2. what to look for when you are making specialty artifacts like a sliding wardrobe & a modular kitchen.
3. good & reasonable places to shop for interiors in Bangalore.
Last week while answering a number of customer queries I realized that I have yet failed to answer one of the fundamental questions that home makers have i.e. with all the choice available in the market, what is the right material to use for one's woodwork?
So this post is dedicated to answer just that ... lets start with the Kitchen:
Carcass or the boxes:
If you are someone who does not plan a 3 year "refresh" of your kitchen then the only choice for the Kitchen carcass is Warterproof Marine Ply (Technically called BWR 303 Grade Ply....ISI Marked preferred). Many not so scrupulous will talk about using "Water Resistant" Ply, Laminated Particle Board, Marine Ply in wet areas and Particle board in dry areas etc. etc. for the carcass but trust me anything other than Waterproof Marine Ply means that you giving birth to something that will not last beyond its 3rd birthday, it is another matter that from a price perspective using Waterproof Marine Ply will lead to approx. a 20-25 % increase in the overall cost of the kitchen.
The interesting thing to know however is that while the Waterproof Marine “Ply” will be "Waterproof", the (white) “laminate” that you put on top of it will still come off if one continuously pours water on it.
The intelligent amongst you will then ask – "So if even Waterproof Marine Ply carcass will eventually spoil (laminate coming off) due to high moisture, why use it at all" ???
The answer is that (1) The weight of the entire kitchen – Hardware, Drawer Channels, Kitchenware, Wall units etc. rests on the Carcass (Both Bottom and Wall unit boxes) and the bolts & screws that hold all this together need a pretty strong “base” to dig into. (2) Waterproof Marine Ply (ignore the laminate) is simply the best “base” that is available in the market that stays good even in the worst of moisture conditions. (3) Using any other "base" is simply amounts to compromising the life of your Kitchen.
Shutters:
Frankly each of MDF + Membrane, Hardwood as well as Marine Ply/MDF + Laminate work well. You will ask “Why is Marine Ply + Laminate not better than MDF + Membrane here then”??...well remember we said that anything (even the laminate on the Marine Ply) will spoil in high moisture conditions, so the assumption is that we are not using the kitchen as a bathroom. Secondly....the shutters do not hold the entire Kitchen weight, only their own. Hence in normal Kitchen use conditions both MDF + Membrane & Marine Ply/MDF + Laminate work well, however particle board shutters are not recommended.
I personally prefer MDF Membrane or Hardwood shutters as these give a finish that is much more chic than laminate. I have also noticed that most carpenters do not recommend MDF membrane and go with Marine Ply + Laminate. As I said from a durability perspective both are fine, perhaps carpenters do not recommend MDF Membrane & cite durability issues because these require external procurement (compared to the comfort & ease of making onsite) and very precise measurement (in millimeters) that carpenters abhor.
Wardrobes & Hall Units/ Crockery Units/ TV Units, Sideboards etc:
The Carcass for the above can be made with any material as in most cases the carcass has wall support from 2 or more sides. Hence if budget is a constraint and there is good wall support then even pre - laminated Particle board works here.
The panels/ shutters however are key here and need specific attention
The recommended material to use for panel/shutters in Wardrobes & Hall Units depends entirely on the size of the panel /shutter that you are going in for. If it is 9 feet tall (all the way to the roof) or a 7 feet tall sliding shutter (which is usually broader than a standard hinged shutter) & needs to resist bending forces, then use Block Board ONLY (preferably a 19mm + a 6mm (or more) sheet stuck together).
For a 7 foot hinged panel/shutter either a 19mm Block Board/ Marine Ply with Veneer/ Laminate or MDF + Laminate (membrane not recommended) should work fine.
For less than 7 feet panel/ shutter anything will work.
That covers it I guess....will welcome any bouquets and brickbats
Happy Homemaking
NM
NOTE: As on today - Mar 12, 2013 there are some 170 Q&A related to Interior design & material choice etc in the comments section below. Most questions that come to your mind after reading this post are probably already in the Q&A, hence before you pop up a fresh question do consider going through the Comments section below.
In my earlier posts I have tried to help sort this very confusion offering inputs around
1. how to create a budget,
2. what to look for when you are making specialty artifacts like a sliding wardrobe & a modular kitchen.
3. good & reasonable places to shop for interiors in Bangalore.
Last week while answering a number of customer queries I realized that I have yet failed to answer one of the fundamental questions that home makers have i.e. with all the choice available in the market, what is the right material to use for one's woodwork?
So this post is dedicated to answer just that ... lets start with the Kitchen:
Carcass or the boxes:
If you are someone who does not plan a 3 year "refresh" of your kitchen then the only choice for the Kitchen carcass is Warterproof Marine Ply (Technically called BWR 303 Grade Ply....ISI Marked preferred). Many not so scrupulous will talk about using "Water Resistant" Ply, Laminated Particle Board, Marine Ply in wet areas and Particle board in dry areas etc. etc. for the carcass but trust me anything other than Waterproof Marine Ply means that you giving birth to something that will not last beyond its 3rd birthday, it is another matter that from a price perspective using Waterproof Marine Ply will lead to approx. a 20-25 % increase in the overall cost of the kitchen.
The interesting thing to know however is that while the Waterproof Marine “Ply” will be "Waterproof", the (white) “laminate” that you put on top of it will still come off if one continuously pours water on it.
The intelligent amongst you will then ask – "So if even Waterproof Marine Ply carcass will eventually spoil (laminate coming off) due to high moisture, why use it at all" ???
The answer is that (1) The weight of the entire kitchen – Hardware, Drawer Channels, Kitchenware, Wall units etc. rests on the Carcass (Both Bottom and Wall unit boxes) and the bolts & screws that hold all this together need a pretty strong “base” to dig into. (2) Waterproof Marine Ply (ignore the laminate) is simply the best “base” that is available in the market that stays good even in the worst of moisture conditions. (3) Using any other "base" is simply amounts to compromising the life of your Kitchen.
Shutters:
Frankly each of MDF + Membrane, Hardwood as well as Marine Ply/MDF + Laminate work well. You will ask “Why is Marine Ply + Laminate not better than MDF + Membrane here then”??...well remember we said that anything (even the laminate on the Marine Ply) will spoil in high moisture conditions, so the assumption is that we are not using the kitchen as a bathroom. Secondly....the shutters do not hold the entire Kitchen weight, only their own. Hence in normal Kitchen use conditions both MDF + Membrane & Marine Ply/MDF + Laminate work well, however particle board shutters are not recommended.
I personally prefer MDF Membrane or Hardwood shutters as these give a finish that is much more chic than laminate. I have also noticed that most carpenters do not recommend MDF membrane and go with Marine Ply + Laminate. As I said from a durability perspective both are fine, perhaps carpenters do not recommend MDF Membrane & cite durability issues because these require external procurement (compared to the comfort & ease of making onsite) and very precise measurement (in millimeters) that carpenters abhor.
Wardrobes & Hall Units/ Crockery Units/ TV Units, Sideboards etc:
The Carcass for the above can be made with any material as in most cases the carcass has wall support from 2 or more sides. Hence if budget is a constraint and there is good wall support then even pre - laminated Particle board works here.
The panels/ shutters however are key here and need specific attention
The recommended material to use for panel/shutters in Wardrobes & Hall Units depends entirely on the size of the panel /shutter that you are going in for. If it is 9 feet tall (all the way to the roof) or a 7 feet tall sliding shutter (which is usually broader than a standard hinged shutter) & needs to resist bending forces, then use Block Board ONLY (preferably a 19mm + a 6mm (or more) sheet stuck together).
For a 7 foot hinged panel/shutter either a 19mm Block Board/ Marine Ply with Veneer/ Laminate or MDF + Laminate (membrane not recommended) should work fine.
For less than 7 feet panel/ shutter anything will work.
That covers it I guess....will welcome any bouquets and brickbats
Happy Homemaking
NM
NOTE: As on today - Mar 12, 2013 there are some 170 Q&A related to Interior design & material choice etc in the comments section below. Most questions that come to your mind after reading this post are probably already in the Q&A, hence before you pop up a fresh question do consider going through the Comments section below.
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteGood to read your tips on your blog. Must say that your experience does show in your words.
All the Best
NM
ReplyDeleteHave you researched on Kitchen Chimney types - most of models start making noise after a couple of years of usage - awaiting your comments
Chimney Type: I would recommend Faber or Kaff. Both brands have models to suit one's budget. Have not had a good experience with some of the other popular brands in the market
ReplyDeleteHi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteNice tips.
It would be nice to have some tips on material used for Bed (Economy,Standard,Premium). Thanks
Beds - Only option is to use Plywood or a combination of Teak & Ply.
ReplyDeleteRgds
NM
Hi Nandita very helpful blog.Just wanted to know why you do not recomment MDF+membrane for Wardrobe shutters.
ReplyDeletePooja,
ReplyDeleteMDF + Membrane is prone to bend
Hi NM, I am planning to get my kitchen done and looking for info in details. Thanks a ton for your valuable post.
ReplyDeleteI have been given two options by my interior designer i.e.:
Wardrobes: plywood with veneer/MDF with laminate
Kitchen: waterproof ply with membrane shutter/waterproof MDF with laminated shutter.
Which one you think is good???
Wardrobes: plywood with veneer/MDF with laminate - Either is OK
ReplyDeleteKitchen: Waterproof ply with membrane shutter/waterproof MDF with laminated shutter - There is nothing like Waterproof MDF (MDF is either Exterior grade, which is not as good as Waerproof marie ply, or HDF (Hi Density Fibre- which is again not WaterPROOF) - Go with Marine Ply & Membrane
Thanks alot for your reply.
ReplyDeleteJust wondering for kitchen slab is coral top (mix of PVC & fibre, germany made)a good material or only granite is best.
For the kitchen slab either material (Corian/ Hanex or Granite) is ok. Corian or Hanex is however more expensive and requires higher maintenance. Rgds - NM
ReplyDeleteHi Nandita
ReplyDeleteLot of useful information on interiors on your webpage. It really gives good idea to a layman as to how to go about doing interiors.
Could you put some light on difference between tandom box, meta box, SS baskets for pullouts and suggest what works best based on uses, cost, durability etc.
Regards
Priyanka
Priyanka - The answer to your question (what works best) really depends on one's specific requirements and usage habit - your designer should be able to suggest based on your needs.
ReplyDeleteOn the cost as a thumbrule SS Baskets will be approx 70 - 80% in cost compared to a tandem box & Metabox is one fourth the cost of a tandem box...again the decision needs to be based on usage pattern & needs and not just on cost.
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteExcellent insights. Thanks.
Couple of questions.
1. For Kitchen I am going with Marine Ply carcus as you advised. However, can you advise for kitchen shutters - what is better between the following two options (a) Marine ply with Membrane (b) Marine Ply with Laminate ? What are the Pros / Cons?
2. Any advise on the relative assessment of brand names while buying Marine Ply? Green Ply, Kit Ply, Century, Forrester.
Thanks a lot for your advise.
Murthy.
Your blogs are pretty interesting and would appreciate if you can throw some light on the below
ReplyDeleteWhat is the prevailing costs ( per sft) for a modular kitches with membrane shutters + marine ply boxes.
What is the prevailing costs ( per sft ) for a wardrobes with membrane shutters + ply wood boxes.
am seeing huge variations in the quotes that i have received so far. Also can you recommend the preferred brands for membrane, marine ply and ply wood laminates...thx Valli
Valli: Please refer to my earlier post on costing your woorwork...it has answers to all the questions you have raised. The post is available at http://www.homedesignbangalore.com/2010/08/costing-your-woodwork-do-it-yourself.html
ReplyDelete@ Murthy: On choosing the material for shutters - this is already mentioned in the post above.
ReplyDeleteOn Marine Ply: Go for any ISI Marked product of IS 303 Grade (Boiling Water Proof).
i thnk u doin some grr888 work..will use info 2 d full
ReplyDeletei saw dis post of comparision b/w granite n corian for kitchen slabs..i believe corian is soft n scratches fast..is it so? also wanna compare granite n quartz for my kitchen top..wht do u thnk abt concrete kitchen top?
also is granite d best option 4 bathroom slabs as well?
monna
Monna: The decision depends on your personal choice..each has its pros & cons.
ReplyDeleteCorian does scratch, is expensive but looks good...can also be rebuffed to remove scratches. If you find a colour of your choice then Granite is good & not too expensive especially in Bangalore
NM
Nanditha – I’m so impressed seeing your blog. I’ve trying to gather all these information for my kitchen and going in circle because each vendor has something unique to share.
ReplyDeleteI’m looking to have my kitchen done after having maximum research done. Also, willing to pay only when it’s worth not because I don’t understand underlying concept and make myself fool.
Few questions:
For shutters I’m planning to go with MDF Membrane but unable to determine where I can get it done? Getting different stories for rates. Few are saying that it would come from Jaipur and cost aprox. Rs. 350 – 500 per sq.ft. Any idea where I can get it done in Bangalore? I’m interesting in buying material by my own and paying for labor cost.
Where can I get German made accessories? What are the good brands?
Any contractor you know who does it without materiel? As I said earlier, I’m planning to give my own design & materiel and willing to pay only for workmanship.
Thanks for advising.
Rajat: I have an earlier post which already has answers to all the questions you have asked. Please go through http://www.homedesignbangalore.com/2010/06/shopping-for-interiors-recommended.html
ReplyDeleteThanks, Nandita. Appreciate your quick response. Just a quick one, could you please provide address or contact details for Elanza? I did search on Google but unable to find any. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteHi Nandita, what do you have to say about using laminates/liners vs paint/polish on wardrobes interiors ?
ReplyDeleteMukesh: Its a personal choice. Paint & Polish has a smell that takes time to go away. Cost wise polish & laminate will be approx the same, paint will be cheaper. I personally prefer the finish & ease of laminates.
ReplyDeleteNM
Hi Nandita, Thanks for the quick response. I have another question.
ReplyDeleteIs ply+veneer a good choice for kitchen cabinet shutters? Veneer gives much better finish than laminates but I am apprehensive how does it perform in the kitchen in the presence of all the moisture/water and also rough use.
Mukesh: Veneer is not recommended for the kitchen due to moisture. You can go for solid wood.
ReplyDeleteRgds
NM
Do the vendors selling MDF mention the formaldehyde emission levels? I heard that most of the mdf boards available in the market conforms to only E3 standards which slowly releases formaldehyde which is carcinogenic in nature.
ReplyDeleteThanks,
Sharmi
Hi Sharmi: That one is a "zonker" & frankly I have no clue. Probably Mr Google would know :)
ReplyDeleteOn a side note - I would not recommend using MDF boards for anything except if you have a design that needs MDF for bending/ shaping etc. or in Membrane shutters where it comes in finished form.
NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteIs the Duco paint finish suited for kitchen environment - say Marine ply/MDF + Duco ? Does it deteriorate with years and need newer coats every few years ?
Thanks for this informative blog. One question: Do you know where can we get HDF shutters for kitchen.
ReplyDeleteJatMan: Why do you need HDF... MDF should be good enough
ReplyDeleteNM
Anonymous:
ReplyDeleteDuco is ok for Kitchen, however it gets scratches over time, scratches similar to what you see on cars, apart from that there is no issue.
NM
Hai Nandhita,
ReplyDeleteVery impressed with your post on right material to choose for kitchen n wardrobe.Even we are planning for our kitchen and wardrobe. I am planning to go with ISI 303(BWP) as you said n for wardrobe with blockboard.Thank you for your suggestions.
nadita what about using steel instead of wood for caracus . Godrej interio uses this technique.
ReplyDeleteSteel carcass should be ok provided that your walls do not have too many offsets etc. (wood has the flexibility of minor modifications onsite which steel does not). ON the overall look of a steel kitchen versus Wooden my personal preference is Wood.
ReplyDeleteNM
Nanditha,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your valuable information
Can you tell the disadvantage of membrane shutters for wardrobes?
Bhaskar - Membrane shutters are made from MDF. Long MDF panels are prone to bend hence it is ok for Kitchen (small shutters) and not ok for Wardrobes
ReplyDeleteNandita, Much thank for this service that you are doing. I had few questions, so I would really appreciate if you could help..
ReplyDelete1. Are there shops or agencies in Bangalore that would just laminate plywoods, in small numbers, to our measurements and requirements. For example, I might require something as small as 12"x16" plywood to be laminated. Are there places that do that in Bangalore.
2. Are there agencies that specialize in bathroom furnishings, like cabinets and stuff, and what would the right material for bathroom furnishings.
Any pointers would help.
Cheers
./b.
Bhaskaran, Don't know of anyone dealing in small pieces....the costs will be prohibitive anyways. You can however get a complete unit (however small) through anyone doing modular work.
DeleteBathroom fittings - Hometown, @Home & EVOK have a good enough collection to choose from
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteNice reading your blog. It's really very much informative and lot of knowledge we gained by your blog. Thanks a lot for that.
We have one query regarding kitchen. In apartments what's the normal and safe place to keep gas cylinders. Could you please provide some details along with alternatives.
Expecting your quick reply. Thanks a lot in advance.
Regards
Vasuki
For safety reasons cylinders should be ideally kept in the utility as it is the best ventilated place around the kitchen
DeleteNM
Hello Nandita, Great blog and very informative. We have a query. We are shopping around for our interiors. We have decided to use Marine Ply but it is confusing to choose which finish to use. As we understood (?), there are 4 finishes - Laminate, Post forming Laminate, Membrane & Melamine.
ReplyDeleteThough your article covers Laminate vs Membrane, do you have any recommendation in choosing between the 4 finishes for the kitchen & wardrobe?
Thanks,
Maya
Decide based on what visually appeals to you. Technically speaking
Delete1. Material under Membrane is MDF and NOT Marine Ply. Hence not recommended for long shutters, if not designed right then these tend to bend
2. Post forms will give you rounded edges...thats a limitation - however on the positive side you dont need to bother about polishing or banding the edges which is an issue with flat edge shutters/ panels.
3. Melamine is basically polished wood - u need a good polisher/ painter if you are going in for Melamine
Hope I did not confuse more than clarify
NM
Thanks Nandita. It actually clarified a lot.
DeleteOne of the interior promises to use Membrane shutters with Kit ply Gold (Marine Ply) for kitchen units below granite. This means carcass is Kit Ply Gold but the shutter itself is MDF?
We also want to use Membrane finish in our wardrobes (as it looks much better than plain post forming).
How many years does Membrane finish last - Kitchen & Wardrobe (provided normal usage)?
Membrane will last as long as you get tired of it if you maintain it carefully and keep it protected from water (i.e. wipe immediately if it gets wet).
DeleteNM
hi nanditha,
ReplyDeletegreat blog.Can u pls suggest which will be good for my kitchen BWR ply carcass with ply postform shutters or with OST veneer shutters.And do suggest for my wardrobe too.
thks in advance,
Vidya
Go with Veneer only when you have a very good polisher available to you, else if you are hell bent on the polished wood finish then u could also explore pre polished hardwood shutters.
DeletePostform or Edge Banded Laminate shutters shuould be fine either way.
Thanks for such a definitive guide, I'm happy to find the right information at right time.. I was going to decide on materials for my kitchen (in Kolkata).
ReplyDeleteFrom what I understood, the two major choices are membrane (usually over MDF) and laminate (can be over anything - ply, MDF). While you clearly explained the pros and cons for both, I have 2 more doubts.. if you'd comment on those that'd be great:
[1] Which one gives better look-n-feel at the edges ? I guess laminate/sunmica sheets have to be cut at edges and that gives a discontinuous / torn look at the edge-lines of the rectangular shutter boards. But membrane will give more smooth or "Wrapped" look at edges.
For the same reason aren't the laminated shutter frames' corners prone to chipping by small accidents ? Then how do you generally treat the edges .. with aluminium-finished edges ?
[2] While I love the membrane option, I was recommended to use Duco/spray paint as My design has red-black vertical bands in white kitchen wall which I want to replicate down the Corian-slab and as well as the shutters/cabinets. Is it possible to have two or more colors in a typical 'membrane'-ed MDF board ? say three vertical sections (black red black) on same piece of panel ('palla') ?
Much appreciate your effort and response.
Best.
You answered Question 1 yourself....apart from aluminium edges you could duco or polish the edges. Factory made shutters will come with a PVC edge banding. Also 1 mm laminate usually will not chip if the carpenter has done a good job.
DeleteQuestion 2 - Membrane comes in specific shades....cannot customize
hi nanditha,
ReplyDeletegreat job and very informative.can u pls give me suggestion to choose among different shutters available for kitchen.
which will be good & last for long
postform or
laminated or
painted or
polished.
My choice is painted shutters but jus need ur guidance.
thks,
Vidya
Go for polished only if you have a very good polisher available to you. Painted are no longer used in kitchens (except Duco which works out quite expensive & again needs a very good painter). Laminated & Postform (they are one and the same except the treatment of the edges) are the safest bet. I personally prefer (good quality) Membrane Shutters as they give a pretty good finish.
Deletenanditha,
ReplyDeletewhen i go with mdf material there is a lot of cost coming up.. so will that be enough i use the marine ply for the cabins where it may get wet (places like utensil cabinet) .. or do u suggest t go for marineply for all the cabinets down?
reshmi
I will not suggest MDF or Particle board for the bottom cabinets. There are cheaper brands of Marine (BWR) ply available. Go with any brand that suits your budget - just ensure that it is ISI Marked 303 Grade BWR Ply
DeleteNM
Hello, I am planning for interiors. Like you said ISI marked 303 grade BWR Ply. Just want to know should i use BWP instead of kitchens or just BWR will do
DeleteYogi
Yogi - Please go through http://www.homedesignbangalore.com/2012/08/types-of-wood-wood-specifications-for.html
DeleteNM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteI am planning to buy ready made kitchen cabinets and give it to the carpenter.Will this model work, what are the practical difficulties ?
Where do i get quality shutters in bangalore ?
Regards
Chandramohan
You could, however mostly regular carpenters are not comfortable doing modular kitchen work - you need to be sure that your carpenter knows. For sourcing shutters you can check out your nearest Modular Kitchen shop. The following posts will also be of help
Deletehttp://www.homedesignbangalore.com/2010/06/shopping-for-interiors-recommended.html
http://www.homedesignbangalore.com/2010/06/so-what-is-modular-kitchen-and-some.html
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the awesome post...
I got greenply BWR grade ply for Kitchen...Is this OK...I just saw your post else i would have got marine grade ply :-(
Also my carpenter is suggesting to go with boards (not sure which board) for the doors and shutters (for both kitchen and wardrobe) than plywood. The reason he give is plywood tends to bend and is not suitable of 7 feet tall doors. What he suggests is Ok?
Also I have one more question - what type of hinges to be used for wardrobe doors - as they are long and huge will the Concealed hinges is better or butt hinges are better or suggest anything which you feel is good...
I think I responded to your e mail, your carpenter is suggesting the right things...go with it
DeleteNM
Hey Nandita....
ReplyDeleteWhatever u said in this article is what I learnt while renovating my new house and believe me all information is so correct... My house just got completed but I feel I did lots and lots of blunders....I m happy with Kitchen coz I got all water proof marine ply....
Everything is so expensive.....
Bye Nandita... U r doing a great job.... keep it up.... like me there r many new guys who need this kind of help...
Hi Nanditha,
ReplyDeleteI really liked dyour blogs and its very informative. However, I am still confused about making a decision on what to be used.
here goes the suggestion by various interior guys. please suggest me the best out of these
Carpenter 1) Suggests rubberwood for Kitchen, Ply with Veneer for TV cabinets, wardrobes, book shelf etc. He charges approx 850 - 1150/-sft
carpenter2) Suggests PLY with Membrane across all except that he uses water proof ply for kitchen charges 950/-sft
Carpenter 3) Suggests PLY with Laminate and is strongly against of using Rubber wood for kitchen cabinets.He charges 1200/-sft for laminate finish
Please could you suggest me on this as we are in the stage of finalising it. Also, it would be great of you if you can share some pictures of staircase units, TV units and book shelf.
Appreciate your help on this!
Thanks,
Shilpa
Shilpa,
DeleteThe right material to use is already there in my blog post above. I will refrain from commenting on the costs quoted as this would not be ethical since I am in the same field.
NM
Hi Nanditha,
ReplyDeleteVery detailed informative posting fom you.
As is usual, will request advise on my foll choice:
1. Kitchen - BWR ply Carcass with Membrane (or Postforming ?) shutters
2. Bedrooms - MDF carcass with Postforming Shutters
Thanx
Vidya
Either of Membrane or postformed are OK for the kitchen.
DeletePersonally do not recommend Postformed for Wardrobes as postforming is done on MDF/ Particle Board or Ply and all these have some chance of warping. Ideal choice for tall shutters is Laminate/ Veneer on "Block Board"
NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteYour blog is extremely useful and informative even for a novice like me who doesn't know much about this field. I am planning to do woodwork for my house and these are combinations suggested by my carpenter. Just wanted to check your advise on the below in terms of longevity and budget as i am looking for something which is a long term solution though economical.
Kitchen - BWP Plywood + membrane shutter (on MDF)
Crockery and Living area - Plywood + Veneer
Master bedroom - Plywood + membrane shutter (on MDF)
Other Wardrobes - Plywood + Post Laminated MDF
Also, if you could suggest some good places in Hyderabad to get the material etc.
Thanks in advance,
Amit Kumar
Choice of material looks ok except that MDF is not recommended in tall shutters for Wardrobes as it is likely to bend. If your wardrobe shutters are 7 feet tall than its better to use block board (with veneer or laminate) for this.
DeleteRgds
NM
Hi Nanditha, Wonderful article and its truly a crash course on "wood works". Hats off to you.
ReplyDeleteI've a query...
* My designer has given me a quote for 3 different materials to be used in the kitchen. One of them ofcourse is marineply, the second one is rubberwood and the other one is rubberwood with MDF laminate. I am not still sure about the 3rd option which i'll have to clarify with him.Interestingly, that is the most expensive option.
My question is how good is rubberwood when compared to marine ply? Pls throw some light on the pros and cons of using rubberwood for kitchen.The quality spec of the rubberwood he gives is,
"Rubber wood shutters, goes following treatment, 3 coats of sealant, 2 coats of stain, 1 coat of PU (polyurethane)"
Will be helpful if you can help me out with this.
Thanks a lot...
Rubberwood is fine for Kitchen Shutters provided these are "framed" shutters. Flat rubberwood shutters are likely to bend.
DeleteRegards
NM
Hi NM, was really happy to see an Indian blog/forum with so many insights on woodwork.. googling mostly throws up results abroad, so was finding it difficult to adapt to Indian scenario!
ReplyDeleteI scoured your blog and the comments section to see if the issue i am facing has already been discussed, but couldnt find any.
I am getting my kitchen refurbished entirely and my carpenter has offered to do teak and deco (or duco?) for my kitchen with water-proof ply, claiming that this is the best option in the market. The teak word had me floored and i am seriously considering it, but was not able to evaluate the pros and cons. I'll be extremely grateful if you could help me out here.
Thanks in advance.
Murali
Frankly I have heard "Duco on teak" for the first time. It also does not seem logical as Duco is a "coloured" paint hence if you put it on teak nothing of the teak will be visible - better do duco on MDF which will be far cheaper. If your carpenter meant "polish/PU" when he said Duco then that would make sense, however if you go for that then please ensure you have a very good polisher.
DeleteWould definitely like to know what your carpenter meant - probably I would learn something new :)
Rgds
NM
NM,
ReplyDeleteThanks for all your valuable inputs here.
What is lacquered finish of kitchen ? Is it same as Duco? If so which product should I use to get it done. I have used Marineply for partition, base and even shutters. Can I go with this finish on top of it. Inside of box/shutters, I have used laminates. Please help asap, need to make a decision.
tia, VH
VH - Lacquer is a type of finish/ polish - best example is the shiny finish you see on the body of a guitar. It should be used on the exterior of the shutters. You should ideally put a veneer sheet (as per your choice of colour)on the shutter and then do the polish. These decisions are usually made before starting construction of the kitchen/ wardrobe etc. as it determines the overall material to be used, also, the designs get affected accordingly.
DeleteDuco is a type of paint - example - the paint on your car is Duco. It can also be done on Wood/ MDF.
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NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteI am reading all your blogs since last few weeks to have an idea for the interior work for my same. My carpenter suggests me to go for Royal Pine wood for wardrobes in bedroom and hall unit , where as marine pine wood for kitchen. But discussing with my friends, they suggests to go for plywood(MR graded). I'm totally confused. Please suggest me which one would be an ideal choice. And it would be really helpful if you could share the per sft price of Pine wood in current market.
Thanks in advance
---bg
BG - My post above already has "prescriptive" recommendations on what material to use for each application (Carcass, Shutters, Wardrobes, Kitchen etc.). The more people you ask the more confused you will get :)
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HI..
ReplyDeleteLet me first thank u for ur highly informative blog..Pls clarify one doubt. My interior designer is suggesting to go for 18mm BWP marine plywood (anchor brand)for kitchen boxes. Is it a good choice?
I've recommended IS-303 BWR Grade Plywood for Kitchen Carcass. As far as I know (& I may be wrong) this grade of plywood is not available in 18mm, only 17 & 19mm. MR Grade is available in 18mm however BWR grade is recommended for the kitchen.
DeleteYou can also refer http://www.optimared.in/plywood.html which has some details on the types of ply.
NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDelete1) What is the difference between IS 303 and IS 710 specification and which is better?
2) Is there a difference between Boiling Water Proof (BWP) and Boiling Water Resistant (BWR)?
3) How to identify the quality of plywood? Each vendor has different brands with different prices. Not sure if I can go with the one who quotes less for the same specification... I also read article that says 90% of marine ply is fake in the market. That is even more annoying.
4) What is Gurjan ply? Would you recommend this?
1) 710 Grade is Marine Ply used for making Boats & Ships. 303 Grade is loosely mentioned as "Marine Ply" for Home Applications. When a carpenter says Marine Ply he should mostly mean 303 Grade. 707 Grade is definitely "better" but then you don't need a rocket engine in a city car.
Delete2)There are some minor technical differences between BWP & BWR but for all practical applications you can assume it to be the same. The big difference is between MR Grade & BWP/ BWR Grade. MR is Moisture resistant and cannot withstand water...only moisture.
3) It is tricky to identify good plywood, the fact that there are fakes of branded plywood available in the market makes it all the more difficult. If you have an interior designer working for you he/ she will have a reliable supply chain, else you just have to stick to regular brands like Greenply, Century, Frontier etc. & hope that you don't get a fake.
4) Never used Gurjan Ply the "Brand" therefore cannot comment. Gurjan is the wood that all plywoods are made from see -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipterocarpus
Thank you Nandita.
DeleteYou are doing a great job. Please let me know, if you have any plans to expand your services to Hyderabad. It would be great to partner with you
Raj - I can execute in Hyderabad given there is enough volume (2-3 flats/ 1-2 Villas), else the costs don't work out
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NM
Nandita, you are doing a great job. First time home furnishing people like me (end user) is greatly benefitted by these knowledge. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteAjith
Thanks Ajith
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Hi Nandita, Thanks for an insightful info. I came across what is called "Bhutan wood" for wardrobe. Considering that my wardrobe would be 7 feet high, do you recommend this material?
ReplyDeleteJags,
DeleteBhutan Board is a brand of particle boards owned by the government of Bhutan - refer www.bhutanboard.com. If you are ok to use particle board for your wardrobes then Bhutan Board is ok to use. Also there are a number of Bhutan Board fakes available in the market so just take care to buy from a trustworthy vendor.
NM
Hi Nanditha, this is great piece of information. Need some clarity on the folloiwng
ReplyDeleteKitchen : BWR carcass, MDF postform shutters
Wardrobes: Partcile board box and MDF postform shutters
TV unit : pls advise whats the best material
Is the above good enough.
What is the difference between postform and laminate. Appreciate your help and advise.
I am keen on finalising my interiors
Your questions have already been answered in the Q&A's above. Kindly go through them
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NM
Hello Nandita madam,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all I admire you for sharing the knowledge on home designs. Your blog and the comments by readers helped me to understand the basics of interior design and now I can confidently ask questions to the interior designer I am going to finalize for my own flat.
I am just researching on the interiors for my flat. I asked a professional guy. He suggested waterproof ply (greenply, 19mm) with mica laminate finish for Kitchen (both carcass & shutters). For the wardrobes, he suggested 18mm laminated commercial ply (greenply) with melamine finish shutters. When I asked why not block wood for wardrobe he said it has the tendency to bend. Pls spare few minutes to comment on this.
Thanks
Srinivas
Srini - Block Board has better resistance against bending compared to ply
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NM
Would you advise in using block boards for kitchen carcass? It is my understanding that plywood is used for making carcass and not block board. kindly advise.
ReplyDeleteYes - Carcass should be in Ply & not Blockboard
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Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for the detailed information, My carpenter is suggesting me to go for RajPly and I am insisting him to use KitPly Vista (MR for wardrobes and BWR for Kitchen); Can you please suggest me if I can go with RajPly or KitPly;
Thanks
Sudarshan
Never used RajPly hence cannot comment.
DeleteAlso read this http://www.homedesignbangalore.com/2012/08/types-of-wood-wood-specifications-for.html
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NM
Sorry for the wrong question in the thread,
ReplyDeleteI want to know in the kitchen, before putting the carcass, on the floor there is cement bed which is usually laid in indian kitchens, but I want to know is it Okay to put for modular kitchen as well, or its not advisable,
Thanks,
Advisable to remove the platform - a modular carcass stands on legs that help "level" the carcass, also to avoid water/ moisture contact with the bottom plank.
DeleteThat said, a modular kitchen carcass can still be made to rest on top of the platform if it is impossible to remove it.
Also read http://www.homedesignbangalore.com/2011/08/home-design-vaastu-shastra-episode-2.html
and
http://www.homedesignbangalore.com/2010/06/so-what-is-modular-kitchen-and-some.html
NM
Dear Nandita,
ReplyDeleteKindly advise on the below solution suggested by my carpenter ..i am not able come to a conclusion from the previous threads to decide as i am totally ignorant on this subject...my apologies if my question is repetative...
kitchen-
Base module made of 18mm BWR ply laminated on both sides with PVC & shutter is made of 18mm Rubber wood
Bedroom Wardrobe-
18mm commercial ply laminated on both sides with PVC finish & shutters made of MDF post form finish.
Also i understand carpenter is using Kitply instead of Marine Ply as its cost effective . Will it be a too much of compromise ....pl suggest ideal solution..
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Suresh
Don't recommend MDF for Wardrobe shutters - this is also mentioned in my post & in multiple Q&A's above - please go through in detail.
DeleteMarine Ply is just a specification for plywood (BWR IS 303 Grade), even Kitply has ply under this specification. However there are a number of Kitply fakes available in the market - make sure its bought from a reliable source.
Rest looks ok
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NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteYour blog is very helpful and we often come here for reference.
Can you recommend any good company veneers? We are looking for Natural Wenge Crown & red oak. By googling i found www.naturalveneers.com but couldn't find any reviews..
Appreciate your help.
-Revathi
Revathi,
DeleteI usually go with regular brands like Greenply & Century primarily due to their range, standardization of shades, quality, availability & after sales.
Cannot comment on the "Natural Veneers" brand as I have not used it
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NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteMy kitchen designer recommends Action Tesa High gloss laminated hdf shutters For kitchen cabinets but I feel marine plywood with laminate could be better as our kitchen is severely loaded feeding 10 people and handled by 2 maids.please clear my dilemma .
Regards
Nitin
I would go with Marine Ply & Laminate too in your situation.
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NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteKindly advise which is better ie., to complete Modular & wood work first and do painting of walls else finish painting first and do wood work later.
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srini
Panting should be done last - after the woodwork
DeleteNM
Hi Nandita
Deleteshould not we do one coat of painting first or it is fine to do later only?
Thanks
Yes you should put the first coat and do the finish after the woodwork.
DeleteNM
Hi NM
DeleteI have started woodwork before painting and my painting wiil be done after i finish the polishing etc. so is there any problem??
Thanks
That should also be fine.
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hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteGreat Blog and very informative.
I am planning to do my apartment interior, the choice of material is as below
1)KITCHEN --> CENTURY PLY BWR GRADE + century BOARD DOORS.
2)wardrobe --> century commercial ply + century BOARD DOORS
Please advise if my wood selection is correct or not ? does century board is okay for kitchen doors ?
can i use BWR GRADE PLY for doors instead of board ?According to Carpenter PLY might bend. but i already read on your above blog that up to 7 feet ply doors are fine. looking for your suggestion before i confirm.
I am in a confusion whether to go with veneer finish or laminate for Kitchen doors.please advise ?
i really like the veneer finish than laminate, but which will be long lasting ?
thx
shiju
Century is fine. Either Board or Ply is ok for the shutters - Board is however better if you are going for handmade (carpenter making it on site).
DeleteKitchen doors should ideally not be in veneer as it is not quite resistant to moisture.
NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for this highly informative blog. We have three questions:
1. For kitchen top cabinets, what type of laminates need to be used which will look good as well as can be used in kitchen environment.
2. Can we use neem ply for wardrobe or should we go with MR commercial ply.
3. Will edge bending laminates give better look? Which brand we should choose?
Regards,
1. Any type of Laminate is OK - there are no special ones better suited for kitchens
Delete2. Never used Neem Ply hence cannot comment.
3. Yes edge banding will give a better look - go with the brand that matches best with your laminate
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NM
Hi nandita,
ReplyDeleteOne carpenter talked of Polymer finish (factory) on Marineply shutters. What is Polymer finish ? Do you know.?
I assume this will be PU finish - This is the shiny polish you sometimes see on furniture. You can Google for it
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NM
Hi,
ReplyDeleteWe are planning to contract the wood work for our new appartment in Bangalore. That guy is laying pinewood for the cabinates. below is the quotation he gave us. please confirm, if it is worth paying so much.
Quotation with materials
SI.No Particulars SFT Rate Amount
1. Cupboard-7’0x8’6”-1nos 59.50 800.00 47,600.00
2. ” -7’0”x7’0”-1nos 43.00 800.00 39,200.00
3. ” -2’6”x4’0”-1nos 10.00 800.00 8,000.00
4. Lopt-2’6”x3’0”- 2nos 15.00 450.00 6,750.00
5. Lopt -2’6”x11’6” -1nos 28.75 450.00 12,937.00
6. ” -2’6”x11’0”- 1nos 27.50 450.00 12,375.00
7. K.Lopt-2’6”x17’0”-1nos 42.50 450.00 19,125.00
8. Kitchen Top – 2’6”x18’0”- 1 nos 45.00 950.00 42,750.00
9. ” Battom-2’6x18’0”-1nos 45.00 950.00 42,750.00
10. Book box-2’0”x4’0”-1nos 8.00 800.00 6,400.00
11. T.V.Showcase-7’0”x7’0”-1nos 42.00 --------- 9,000.00
12. Arch-22’0”x1’6”-1nos -------- -------- 12,000.00
13. Crockery-7’0”x5’0”-1nos 38.50 850.00 32,725.00
14. Box-2’0”x2’6”-1nos 7.50 800.00 6,000.00
TOTAL 2,97,612.00
Note:
• All plywood brand national water proof & 100%commercial pine wood
• Inside laminate white/ half white
• Front door laminate price range 1000 to 1800
• Basket/inches/ telescope channel brand
• Extra work extra charge
Ragini - Being in the same business I refrain from commenting on other folks' quote as this would not be ethical.
DeleteI am however publishing the quote that you forwarded so that other readers can benefit from this. Let me know if you want me to take it off
Regards
NM
Hi Nandita
ReplyDeleteWhich ply will be the best between century,greenply and kitply in quality.
Thanks
Amit
Amit - Its like asking which car Mercedez, BMW or Audi. All 3 are the best in the field.
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Hi Nandita
ReplyDeleteCan you please let us know which company vaneer and laminate we should use
Thanks
I usually use Merino, Greenlam or Century - Not to say that the other companies are any worse - as a designer I need to look at not just longevity & variety but also availability & after sales
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NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteI am looking for some help from you to make my mind on carpenting work for my new flat...
which approachc will benefit individuals from below:
1. Give the contract(material+labour) for carpenting work
2. Material will be taken care by me engage carpenter for daily based labour
3. I am residing in Bangalore
4. requirement is 3 wardrobes with loft, Moduler Kitchen,TV/entertinement
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subbu
If you are ok to run around to get the material then you could explore the Labour only option - but note that its going to be extremely painful with almost daily trips to the site & the market - so you might save some money but if you add up the cost of "your" labour then it might just work out the same.
DeleteAlso know that Bangalore has this typical issue of the Contractor/ Labour running off mid way through the project - whoever you deploy should therefore be someone reliable.
Regards
NM
Am planning to go for Greenply for Kitchen and wardrobe. But am confused on what is the best medium range brand of ply within the Greenply like OptimaRed, Ecotec or Gold? I guess, OptimaRed is a good brand? Would you please suggest on this?
ReplyDeleteBuy based on what your budget allows - all are ok.
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My carpender is suggesting to use GreenPly BWR + 4mm water resistent MDF + Deco paint for the kitchen. Basically the Deco paint is applied on the 4mm MDF which is pasted on the 19mm BWR grade greenply. My carpender is saying that the Deco paint would give a rich color to the kitchen. How about the life of the deco paint?. Is it advisable to for Deco paint in the kitchen compared to the Laminate/Veneer?
ReplyDeletePlease advise.
1 You need a very good painter for Duco Painting. Also it needs hi maintenance
Delete2. 19mm + 4 MM will make the shutter too thick. Kitchen shutter thickness should not be more than 19mm
NM
How do I verify the quality of block board. The section of block board used by contractor shows saw dust kind of particles inside along with wooden block. Is it a good block board.I understand that blockboard should be having only wooden block. Is any other metrial also used inside? Secondly are there black boards also used in interior. Contractor was mentioning about using black board. Is it different from Block Board.Can you recommend the good block board for wardrobe shutter
ReplyDeletePlease read http://www.homedesignbangalore.com/2012/08/types-of-wood-wood-specifications-for.html
Deletego with ISI marked boards of the specifications given in the above post
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteThanks for this informative blog!
What is your take on Birch wood being used for shutters in the kitchen?
And secondly, when the modular kitchen dealers say they provide "five or 10 year warranty and life long warranty for hardware" - are they for real? Does this really makes sense to approach a dealer rather than doing it on our own and forego the warranty?
Birch as a material should be fine, assuming you are getting ready made shutters - a lot will depend on where you are getting these from/ which brand ?
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Nandita,
ReplyDeleteThanks for quite useful information. I am new joiner to this blog and looks like I joined just in time when I am about to start interiors for my house in couple months.
A couple queries - (a) How about rubber-wood shutters in kitchen? (b) If concrete lofts are not made and then what should be the thinkness of board to make 2'lofts above 7' wardrobe?
Thanks,
Shree
a) Rubber Wood Shutters for the kitchen are fine
Deleteb) 19mm board is good enough for the lofts
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NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteFor wardrobe shutters, is Block Board + Membrane finish recommended? Does Membrane finish look better than Laminate?
Thanks,
Shree
The question is already answered in the Q&A's above - please go through.
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NM
Great blog...which brand ACCESSORIES (PURE S.S 304 GRADE) we should use.
ReplyDeleteThanks,
Anjali
Any brand is OK provided it is 304 grade. Choose based on the thickness of the wire & the finish if you have multiple options
DeleteNM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing very useful information.
I have got 2 options from vendor:
1)Entire kitchen of Marine Ply with Laminates i.e. Carcuss and Shutters
2) Carcuss in Marine Ply and Shutters in MDF with Membrane.
In Option 1 they are giving PVC edge bending factory fitted laminates.
Which option do you suggest ?
Thanks and regards
Ajay
Both are ok. Decide based on the colour that you like & whether that is looking better in Laminate or in Membrane.
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Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteI have bought greenply gold for my interiors. I asked my carpenter to provide soft close kitchen cabinets. He says, the channels used for them and the fittings are very costly compared to SS baskets. I want him to prepare wider kitchen cabinets, but he tells, it cannot be done with SS baskets. He can provide a maximum of 20 inches outer width and the SS baskets would be 17 inches max. He also tells that I need to go for tandem box or fully ply drawers if I want wider kitchen cabinets, which is very costly compared to SS. What is the price difference between fixing a SS cabinet compared to having a soft close option.
thanks
Yogi
Yes - this is a constraint in SS baskets
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Hi Nandita .Your blogs are really help full ,giving lot more info ,I have just started work in my Apartment and very much confused ,you are Saying that to go for Waterproof marine ply for kitchen BWR ,But what I geather the information is that There is BWR(IS-303 and BWP (IS-710) .and one should go for IS-710 .so which one you are taking about ..Thanks
ReplyDeleteIS-710 grade is used to make boats & ships. IS-303 (BWR) is good enough for home applications. This question is also already answered in the Q & A above - you may want to go through.
DeleteThe following post will also be helpful
http://www.homedesignbangalore.com/2012/08/types-of-wood-wood-specifications-for.html
NM
Thanks so much Nandita for your valuable information. I have hired a carpentor and planning to get my wood work done at my new apartment.
ReplyDeleteMy carpentor asked to choose pine plywood. What is pine plywood? Can we use them for kitchen and wardrobes? I enquired in the shops and they say it as pine board? Can we use them for wood work or normal ply wood is preferred?
Which one is better?
Pine board is a type of board that has its core made of Pine Wood. I would not recommend using Pine board unless you have a severe budget constraint.
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NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteExcellent service. Thanks! I have a question.
My carpenter says Commercial ply(carcass and shutter) than PLPB+MDF for wardrobes and commercial ply is available in various rates starting from 45 psft to ~100 psft. Which type(grade) of ply should I choose and appr. market rate psft.
Thanks
Shankar
Please refer
Deletehttp://www.homedesignbangalore.com/2010/09/so-what-is-right-material-to-choose-for.html
and
http://www.homedesignbangalore.com/2012/08/types-of-wood-wood-specifications-for.html
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NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteThanks for the post ,
I have question on Termite, borer proof ply
Are all material mentioned are Termite and Borer proof. or do we need to do something addtional
BWR Grade Ply is Termite & Borer Proof. Commercial Ply (MR Grade) is sometimes not.
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NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteVery informative blog. Many of my confusions are solved. Just wanted to Thank you...
regards,
Deepu
You're welcome, thanks for dropping by
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Hi Nandita, you advice using mdf + membrane for shutters because it gives better finish than laminate and also because shutters don't need the strength provided by marine ply as they are not supporting any weight.
ReplyDeleteBut is it the case that the holes drilled into the shutters for fixing handles and hinges tend to get bigger and loose with use and this I believe is irreparable damage. And marine ply being stronger material delays this much more compared to mdf. My designer says that he puts a thin layer of mdf on marine ply and then the membrane of mdf. This way I can get the strength of marine ply and finish of membrane for the shutters at some extra cost. Do you think its worth it to install such shutters?
I have not come across ply reinforced MDF Membrane shutters from any reputed brand.
DeleteI assume that is so because sticking two different materials (MDF & Ply) together may lead to warping of the shutter as each material has a different coefficient of expansion.
However I would like to be proven wrong - so if such shutters are coming to you from a specific brand then do let me know as well as it will be a learning for me too.
If you have a self managed medium to low traffic kitchen then pure MDF shutters should do fine. If however you have a maid managed Hi traffic kitchen then I would recommend using ply + laminate shutters.
Regards
NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteI am going for Green ply BWR optima red for my kitchen. But for my wadrobe i confused which brand to select because green ply and century ply is costly. Can u pl suggest some brands for Commercial ply and block boards.
Thanks in advance
Priya
You can use any ISI marked brand that is as per the specifications given in the article below (303 grade for Ply & 1659 Grade for Board)
Deletehttp://www.homedesignbangalore.com/2012/08/types-of-wood-wood-specifications-for.html
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NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all thanks a ton for this beautiful blog, which helped me a lot to take my decision to choose the material for my kitchen work and also material for wardrobes,
But still there is one query for what I request for your expert opinion, I am using marine play for all kitchen work but for shutter my vendor recommended me for HDF board+Supergloss UV.... What you suggest MDF+Membrane or HDF+Supergloss UV
Regard,
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteFirst of all thanks a ton for this beautiful blog, which helped me a lot to take my decision to choose the material for my kitchen work and also material for wardrobes,
But still there is one query for what I request for your expert opinion, I am using marine play for all kitchen work but for shutter my vendor recommended me for HDF board+Super
HDF or even MDF is OK for shutters. Please also go through the other Q&A above - this will give you additional insight
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NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteThanks a ton for this wonderful blog. It is really very informative and useful.
My carpenter is suggesting Marine Ply+Membrane for kitchen shutters and not MDF+membrane.
Is it fine? How is Marine ply+membrane different than MDF+Membrane?
Thanks for your help
Kumar
Membrane Ply shutters are a new addition to the range of shutters available in the market - they cost nearly double compared to Membrane MDF Shutters. They will definitely have more durability but I am not sure if its worth paying double the price as MDF shutters themselves don't have much of a downside.
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Hello Nandita,
ReplyDeleteAny idea of using Bamboo Ply / Bamboo Mat for the wood work?.
Regards,
Ramakrishna
Bamboo mats/ boards are primarily used for wall paneling.
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NM
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteI have access to rose wood and teak wood (on our land, so free except for govt fee), but since the doors etc are provided by the builder, not sure what I can use them for.
Is there any type of woodwork or furniture that these can be used for (and look as good as factory-made)?
Teak & Rosewood are the best types of wood available for making furniture - you can use it in each & every component including Dining Tables, Crockery unit, Show case, Beds, Panels ... everywhere.
DeleteThe fact that you have it available for free is a good "problem" to have
NM
Hi Nandita- am making a bookshelf which i will be using for heavy medical books (average book weight 1 to 1.5 kg). For the shell am planning BWR ply + Veneer. What would you recommend for the shelves considering the weight of the books? Would block board have the best material for the shelves considering the weight? Note that i am in Goa so humidity is also a problem.
ReplyDeleteThanks,
Sunil
Both BWR Ply or BWR Blockboard should be fine for your needs
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NM
Absolutely awesome stuff nandita. kudos to your patience and passion. pity you are not in hyderabad. learnt a lot.
DeleteRead your blog about home design. Must say it was really helpful.
ReplyDeleteI needed 1 more help.
Can you please tell me what type of hinges are best suited for wardrobes?
We wanted to use concealed hinges. Will it be good?
Rishabh
Type of hinge is decided based on the design of the wardrobe.
DeleteI guess the comments above or in another post also had a similar question on hinges - you may want to go through the same as well.
Regards
NM
Hi Nandita - in a dilemma for my wardrobe size. The inbuilt space provided by the builder for wardrob is 8x4ft. If i go for wardrobe + loft (6.5 +1.5) the loft appears very small then standard sizes. If i decide for only wardrobe then i need to opt for blockboard. What would u suggest ..in scenarion 2 will a 19 mm blockboard suffice or do i need to go for 25mm for 8ft hight.
ReplyDeleteRgds
In Bangalore weather an 8 foot shutter of any thickness is likely to bend. You should ideally go in for 8 feet framed shutters.
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Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteAwesome Blog, I must say.
I'm about finish my 12th and have keen interest in architecture. I have a couple of really basic doubts. You have explained the advantages of MDF+Membrane Shutters, MDF+Laminate Shutters, Post-Form Shutters and Ply+Veneer. But what I fail to understand is the core difference between laminates, membranes, postforming and veneers. Would be grateful if you fill me in with your knowledge.
Thanks!
Rahul
Hi Rahul,
DeleteWith the pace at which the industry is moving, these things will change by the time you are through a professional interior or architecture course.
However if you are still keen then your answers are only a google search away.
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NM
Hi Nandita
ReplyDeleteThanks for the post ...
Question is regarding Sharp edges on handmade laminate over plywood
My carpenter is saying he is going to use 2mm PVC banding to reduce the sharp edges. will that help to reduce sharp edge and to what extent ?also do i have an alternate to aviod sharp edges in handmade plywood( for warbode & kitchen)
There are 2 - 3 comments & responses above (under the comments section) around edge banding options - kindly go through the same
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NM
Hi Nandita ,
ReplyDeleteCan u please let me know on what material I can put Duco paint...? What is PU coating or paint...? Can I only use Duco Paint on MDF...?
Where can I get laser cut Motifs for wall decoration....?
On what material lacquer finished is made of...?
Thank you..
Satavisha & Himadri
Most of your questions are already answered in the Q&A above, please go through.
DeleteLaser cut motifs are available at most good interior showrooms - you can try Samavesh, Stone Art, Gallery In etc.
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Nandita
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteWhat is Multiwood?
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteI am planning to use marine ply for Kitchen. I am going to use Commercial ply wood for other areas. Is that fine?
Yes
DeleteHi Nandita, I have a quote from our interiors designer who is planning to give us Orange Ply. I havent seen any posts around Orange Ply, could you pls comment on this and if its durable enough? thanks, Asha
ReplyDeleteI have never used Orange Ply hence cannot comment. Ideally whatever you use should be ISI marked and confirm to standards. Please also read http://www.homedesignbangalore.com/2012/08/types-of-wood-wood-specifications-for.html
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NM
Hi nandita,
ReplyDeleteCould you suggest
Wardrobe carcasses are made out of mdf and shutters with Membrane finish , is this ok?
Kitchen carcasses made out of 18 mm pre-laminated water proof marine plywood (BWP)
and all exposed area to match the shutter colour, fixed with Membrane shutters,
using imported auto close hinges and necessary hard ware items.
The glass shelf will have 8 mm thickness.
Hi Sandeep
DeletePrescriptive recommendations are already in the post above. Also please go through the other comments & their answers above.
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Nandita
Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your informative blog.
Here is my question. For kitchen, a vendor told ma that they use UPVC for carcass and MDF membrane for shutters. Is UPVC good for carcass?
Yes UPVC Carcass is fine
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Hi Nandita,
ReplyDeleteI need an opinion from you.i m planning to do interiors for my house.My designer is suggesting me to put MDF laminated shuters & particle board racks inside for bedrooms.for kitchen he is telling he will put water proof HDF shutters & inside silver/steel carcasses.i asked him for marine ply.he said it will give trouble in the form of dissolving powder material after sometime & cost is double.after reading your blogs i felt what he is suggesting is ok.is that ok?
is there any difference in appearance of look between MDF & marine ply?
Regards,
Pramya
Marine (BWR) Ply has no issues around dissolving/ powdering etc. Also look wise everything appears the same.
DeleteChoice of material is dependent on your budget. Prescriptive recommendation on the material to choose is already in the post above....also please go through the Q&A in the comments above - these have rich information that you can refer.
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NM
Hi Nandita
ReplyDeleteMy interior designer is saying he will get everything done in the factory and fix here in the house, they need 15 days time to fix.
Is it Okay, to get shutters and carcass and all the units ready in the factory and fix in the house. Or doing onsite is better? what say you, please?
thanks
Decision on what furniture should be modular (factory made) and what made on site is based on the design. Some designs sometimes just cannot be done in the factory - that said, there is nothing wrong with modular furniture as such.
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For sliding shutter(7 feet tall), a 6mm ply has been suggested to avoid bending. Is this good enough?
ReplyDeleteIf you are using 6mm ply then it will need to be mounted on a frame. 6mm ply cannot be used stand alone for sliding shutters
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NM
Hi Nandita
ReplyDeletefor my kitchen interiors in chennai i came across a designer who is claiming to use imported poly panel and imported membranes. (www.fuzion.in) - he claims that this is 100% wood free and hence very durable. What is your view on this?
Further their modular kitchens are carcase free (i think they use steel frames) and hence the walls of the kitchen are exposed - they claim that this allow circulation of air and there will be no stench. Again your view on this pls.
thanks
PK
I have not used polywood and hence cannot comment.
DeleteI will however recommend a closed carcass - circulation of air means circulation of dust and you definitely dont want that.
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NM
Hi.. Does a membrane finish go with Marine Ply ? One of the carpenter is giving an option of this combination for Kitchen. As it will be durable and will give nice looks by having some curves at the shutter edges.
ReplyDeleteYes Membrane is now available on Marine Ply.
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NM
Thanks NM for your blog. it was useful.
ReplyDeleteWhich is good material, Pine / Kit / Century ply ?
Any pointers to good interior shop in Electronics City / Marathahalli
The question is already answered above - please go through the Q&A above
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NM
Hi Nandita, I'm getting my Kitchen & Wardrobes done. I've selected Prestige BWR Grade Waterproof Plywood for Wardrobes & Greenply Gold Marine Plywood for Kitchen. I've decided on getting lamination (Green Lam) done for both Kitchen & Wardrobes, but my confusion is whether I should go for MATT Finish Laminate or High Gloss Finish Laminate. I liked the High Gloss Lamination very much, but my Carpenter says the High Gloss Laminate will get scratches easily when we clean and would look ugly very soon. Kindly request you to please give your inputs/suggestions when compared to MATT finish & High Gloss Laminates. Thank you so much!!
ReplyDeleteYes Hi Gloss will get scratches in the long run
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NM
Hi NM,
ReplyDeleteyour blog is very very helpful.
I have been through all the questions but I still linger with following question
would u suggest commercial ply or waterproof ply for wardrobes if commercial ply is used is it borer/termite proof.would it get spoil with moisture in the wall or is it better to go for waterproof(which is costlier)to overcome the moisture problem.
I have gone through your website thoroughly please help
also regd the hinges..are th L hinges better than cut hinges?
I am not a person to change my woodwork every 5 yrs or so I am looking at a longer perspective how long will plywood on laminate last if I use good quality ones.
please advice
If you dont have a budget constraint then go in for BWR ply/ board.
DeleteIn terms of Life good quality BWR & Laminate will last longer than you are willing to bear it.
The type of Hinges to be used is based on the design
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NM
Thanks for your prompt reply Nanditha,
ReplyDeleteBudget is definitely a constraint for me.if commercial ply (marine ply)is used for wardrobes will it have termite problem and will this last as long as BWR ply.I am totally depending on ur suggestion.Will spending %on BWR justified .Please suggest.
Thanks again for ur help